For episode lucky number 13, Nick and Reuben phone up their good friend Dave McKinney. Dave has worked many jobs in the skate industry including owning some of his own brands but currently works as the Cut and Sew Apparel Developer at NHS distribution. We discuss how McKinney got into his line of work as well as his perspective on the pandemic from inside one of the industry’s largest and longest running companies. We also reminisce about our dear friend Marc “Shockus” Delellis, cover some current affairs, and talk about his former board brand Anthem Skateboards. Tune in for a nice casual convo and make sure to share on Instagram and tag us @shieldlessmag. More content available on shieldlessmag.com. Find more music by Nosnibborm 2.0 on Spotify HERE.